Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)

28.06.2022 17:28
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#1 Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
ah

I am creating a statistic on the swell pedals calibration values of the Physis organs.

Can you help me?

It is very simple: you have to enter the service menu and perform a swell pedals calibration procedure, in order to read the "min" and "max" values of each pedal, and then write them here.

Please note that "min" values may start from numbers higher than one, and max values around 127.

Thank you if you can help me (and in any case a pedal calibration is always useful!)


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28.06.2022 17:34
avatar  DigitalPipes ( gelöscht )
#2 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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sure! I don't remember how to access the service menu though...


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28.06.2022 18:07
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#3 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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It's very simple:

press the four buttons at the same time: Value +; Value -; Enter; Exit.

You have now entered the service menu.

The first voice is "calibration"; press Enter.

Now, you simply have to move each single swell pedal towards the max position (and write the max value) and towards the min position (and write the min value)... very simple!


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28.06.2022 18:24
#4 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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Gloria Concerto 234:

SWELL #1
ACTUAL MAX = 120
ACTUAL MIN = 15

SWELL #2
ACTUAL MAX = 120
ACTUAL MIN = 19

Ich hoffe, ich habe die Aufgabenstellung richtig verstanden.


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28.06.2022 18:25
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#5 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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there we go:

Crescendo

crescendo acquired: 24
actual min: 31
crescendo acquired: 125
actual max: 122

Espressione positivo:

swell #3 acquired: 12
actual min: 13
swell #3 acquired: 125
actual max: 122

Espressione recitativo:

swell #2 acquired: 19
actual min: 13
swell #2 acquired: 125
actual max: 122


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28.06.2022 18:27
#6 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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Oh, sind die "acquired"-Werte auch von Belang?


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28.06.2022 18:28
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#7 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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Zitat von Gemshorn im Beitrag #6
Oh, sind die "acquired"-Werte auch von Belang?


I don't know, but better more info then less :D

By the way, I forgot the specify that's my Sonus 60.


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28.06.2022 20:43
avatar  ahlborn
#8 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
ah

Thank you very much, you are very kind!


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29.06.2022 21:04
avatar  Aeoline
#9 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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My Unico 400 DE has:

Crescendo (left):
Acquired: 5 - 125
Min - Max: 12 - 120

Positif (center):
Acquired: 10 - 125
Min - Max: 9 - 122

Récit (right):
Acquired: 7 - 125
Min - Max: 6 - 122

Nice numbers so far - but what is their sence for?



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Organisten leiden oft an einer schlimmen Krankheit: Augentinnitus - Man(n) sieht nur noch Pfeifen...

Viscount Unico 400 DE [V1.14.19] (56/III/P) : ab 11.2012
Johannus Opus 520 (45/II/P) : 10.1987-11.2012
Siel HB 700 (9/II/P) : 1977-09.1987)

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29.06.2022 22:19
avatar  ahlborn
#10 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
ah

I needed to try to understand how the photoresistor calibration process takes place.

The swell pedals have a led and a photoresistor. In between these two elements is a guide with a plastic window that has a gradient transparency, from almost transparent (downwards) to almost opaque (upwards) that is connected to the swell pedal.
When the pedal moves, more or less light reaches the photoresistor depending on the position of the guide.
The LED that emits light also has a calibration trimmer, and I wanted to understand how it was calibrated.

Among the numbers you have indicated, I would say that the max position is the one that has less deviations of values, almost all the instruments have a max position 122 (mine too), while the min position is more variable.
The max value corresponds to the position in which the photocell receives the least light.

It is therefore probable (but I am not yet very sure) that the trimmer will be adjusted as follows:

1 Pedals in max position
2 Adjust the trimmer so that a value of 122 corresponds to this position.
In this way all the photoresistors of the various pedals receive the same amount of light in the max position (there may be mechanical mounting tolerances that require this calibration in the factory).

So it was just academic curiosity...


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30.06.2022 21:06
avatar  Aeoline
#11 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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Zitat von ahlborn im Beitrag #10
...The max value corresponds to the position in which the photocell receives the least light...

That means, at min-position of the pedal the photoresistor receives the most light?

The min-values of my Unico are significant lower than of your Gloria. That means, my Unico produces a lower volume at the min-position?

The console of my Unico is creamy white - also inside. Yours is much darker. So my pedals receive more light because the brighter console.

That follows: brighter organ consoles produces lower volumes at min-position!



No magic! - just science!



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Aeoline


Organisten leiden oft an einer schlimmen Krankheit: Augentinnitus - Man(n) sieht nur noch Pfeifen...

Viscount Unico 400 DE [V1.14.19] (56/III/P) : ab 11.2012
Johannus Opus 520 (45/II/P) : 10.1987-11.2012
Siel HB 700 (9/II/P) : 1977-09.1987)

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01.07.2022 06:22
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#12 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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Zitat von Aeoline im Beitrag #11

The console of my Unico is creamy white - also inside. Yours is much darker. So my pedals receive more light because the brighter console.

That follows: brighter organ consoles produces lower volumes at min-position!



No magic! - just science!



VG
Aeoline


ROFL!!!


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01.07.2022 10:37
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#13 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
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The values in my organ (modified P235) are the same as in Gemshorn's organ.

„Bach ist Anfang und Ende aller Musik, auf ihm ruht und fuszt jeder wahre Fortschritt“  - Max Reger


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01.07.2022 18:06
avatar  ahlborn
#14 RE: Swells cal.values: I need your help (if possible)
ah

Zitat von Aeoline im Beitrag #11
Zitat von ahlborn im Beitrag #10
...The max value corresponds to the position in which the photocell receives the least light...

That means, at min-position of the pedal the photoresistor receives the most light?

The min-values of my Unico are significant lower than of your Gloria. That means, my Unico produces a lower volume at the min-position?

The console of my Unico is creamy white - also inside. Yours is much darker. So my pedals receive more light because the brighter console.

That follows: brighter organ consoles produces lower volumes at min-position!



No magic! - just science!



VG
Aeoline


No, it does not produce a lower volume, because the digital calibration that takes place in the service menu is used precisely for this: to acquire the "mechanical" (ie, analog) values of the pedals, and on this min-max range the min values are assigned (-12db) and max (+full db) of the sound generation section.

So on your organ the minimum position (-12db, if it is set like this from the service menu) corresponds to 10 (positiv) and 7 (recit).

I doubt that the color of the cabinet can affect the reading of the photoresistor ... (the component is tightly closed inside a small box)


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