Digital Organ Technologies - The Ultimate Match!

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31.10.2022 12:41
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Zitat von Ippenstein im Beitrag #15
Ich könnte meine Viscount Prestige 80 (eigene Disposition) ins Rennen werfen.


Yes!!! Super cool! Ok we need to decide the midi file now.


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31.10.2022 12:49
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Zitat von PM im Beitrag #14
@Paolo: what do you need? a midifile from the internal sequenser of my Physisorgan?


For the test we need a recording but for the recording we need a midi file readable on all instruments. Since I am total ignorant of midi things, it would be nice if someone could provide the file for all those who will make the recording. So far we are set up like this:

- @ahlborn , recording of physis
- @live3TA , recording of Johannus
- @Ippenstein, recording of viscount prestige

For the file, I suggest something that lasts between 10 and 15 seconds, no more, to be able to make the comparison fast and without the ear getting used to what is being heard.

Any ideas about possible segments of pieces? Ideally it should the the last bar of the piece.

@Oliva di Gloria, do you have some ready made midi files that we could use. I know you are the midi king here

No one with Content? Rodgers? Allen?


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31.10.2022 13:16 (zuletzt bearbeitet: 31.10.2022 13:19)
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#18 RE: Digital Organ Technologies - The Ultimate Match!
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master paolo, who sits at the right hand of god (of edited physis sounds)

me, the lowest vintner at the vineyard of the lord

hätte sicherlich ein paar File(t)s - Bach, Dupre, Lemmens, Widor, (Fiedler)...

you name it - i have it ;-)

evtl müsste ich wissen auf welchem (MIDI) Kanal (bei den Mitstreitern) Hw und PW liegen - falls es da unterschiedliche Einstellungen gibt


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31.10.2022 14:42 (zuletzt bearbeitet: 31.10.2022 14:42)
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Zitat von Oliva di Gloria im Beitrag #18


hätte sicherlich ein paar File(t)s - Bach, Dupre, Lemmens, Widor, (Fiedler)...

you name it - i have it ;-)



you silly! What about the final page of Widor’s Toccata?

Is it better to create a single file with the indications of the channels used for positive/great/swell/pedal and set the organ accordingly, or the other way around?


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31.10.2022 14:56
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Ich arbeite mit Cubase. Daher ist es für mich kein Problem, die Mididatei für mein Örgelchen passend zu machen.


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31.10.2022 15:12
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Zitat von Ippenstein im Beitrag #20
Ich arbeite mit Cubase. Daher ist es für mich kein Problem, die Mididatei für mein Örgelchen passend zu machen.


Great!


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31.10.2022 16:25
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#22 RE: Digital Organ Technologies - The Ultimate Match!
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I work with Midi Tool Box on an iPad and now have a great opportunity to learn it better should I need to adjust midi channel assignments! I've also got a few other midi apps I've never used so, one way or another, I'll get the LiVE 3TA file created.

Questions:
1) What format should the sound file be (lossless)?
2) What is the preferred way to share the resulting sound file?
3) How is the sample set/voicing style selected? Should the sample set/voicing style be in default mode with no edits/modifications?
4) Do I ask too many questions?


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31.10.2022 16:28 (zuletzt bearbeitet: 31.10.2022 16:29)
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Zitat von DigitalPipes im Beitrag #17
...No one with Content? Rodgers? Allen?

As far as I know, the last official user of a Content in our forum was Flute8, who sold his Celeste 346 sometimes ago...

Rodgers? - there is only one name in my mind... - clemens-cgn and his fabulous church-installation of a 4589 in cologne... I am sure, this organ is "ready for MIDI-export"...

The one and only Allen-installation that I have ever met, was in the Newapostolic church in Achim (DE) at our Forumstreffen 2017. You can review it here. I don't know if the organist is a member of our forum or even a guest... - but this information is all I can share about Allen...

Although I cannot provide any input at this competition, I am very excited about its results...

VG
Aeoline

T minus 11 days until 469cc...


Organisten leiden oft an einer schlimmen Krankheit: Augentinnitus - Man(n) sieht nur noch Pfeifen...

Viscount Unico 400 DE [V1.14.19] (56/III/P) : ab 11.2012
Johannus Opus 520 (45/II/P) : 10.1987-11.2012
Siel HB 700 (9/II/P) : 1977-09.1987)

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31.10.2022 18:36
#24 RE: Digital Organ Technologies - The Ultimate Match!
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Vielleicht wäre es auch noch interessant, Organteq mit in den Vergleich aufzunehmen? Ich habe leider keine Lizenz und die Demo wird vermutlich nicht ausreichen.

Viele Grüße
Trompetendulzian


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31.10.2022 21:11
#25 RE: Digital Organ Technologies - The Ultimate Match!
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I testet the final page of Widors Toccata.... NO.

Much better Karg-Elert Ein Siegesgesang Israels
or Karg-Elert Nun danket alle Gott

I checked the Midi files, very useful.


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31.10.2022 21:36
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Zitat von live3TA im Beitrag #22
Questions:
1) What format should the sound file be (lossless)?
2) What is the preferred way to share the resulting sound file?
3) How is the sample set/voicing style selected? Should the sample set/voicing style be in default mode with no edits/modifications?
4) Do I ask too many questions?


Also, pitch A = 440 and temperament = equal ("equals equal"...goofy math joke)


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01.11.2022 16:49 (zuletzt bearbeitet: 01.11.2022 16:51)
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#27 RE: Digital Organ Technologies - The Ultimate Match!
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For the choice of pieces, I would opt for a piece that is "free" from peculiar articulation elements, because playing a midi file on an organ that has stops with a slow transient can give very different perceptions compared to an organ with a lively and pronounced attack.
So, according to it, fast pieces, various toccata's, etc. would be excluded.

One could think (this is just an example) of the initial chorale of the variations Sei Gegrüsset BWV768, and foresee a change of stops in each section of the chorale.
In my opinion, the choral lends itself well to being "reinterpreted" according to the characteristics of attack/timbre/release of each different instrument, without appearing too "artificial" or mechanical, being played from a midi file.
It also fits well with styles/samples other than Baroque.


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01.11.2022 17:35 (zuletzt bearbeitet: 01.11.2022 17:43)
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Zitat von live3TA im Beitrag #22


Questions:
1) What format should the sound file be (lossless)?
2) What is the preferred way to share the resulting sound file?
3) How is the sample set/voicing style selected? Should the sample set/voicing style be in default mode with no edits/modifications?
4) Do I ask too many questions?


Good questions! Thanks :)

1) yes, uncompressed, linear PCM, wave file, .wav, 24 bit, 48 Khz.
2) I would propose any sharing service: dropbox, onedrive, icloud, etc
3) theoretically yes, but I am open for discussions here. For example, if we use the default Viscount voicing, Physis is bound to fail
4) definitely not! :)

Zitat von trompetendulzian im Beitrag #24
Vielleicht wäre es auch noch interessant, Organteq mit in den Vergleich aufzunehmen? Ich habe leider keine Lizenz und die Demo wird vermutlich nicht ausreichen.



True. I was playing around with Organteq some weeks ago, and I was not particularly impressed (except for few single stops). If someone has a full version, they can certainly submit the audio for the competition! We can also include dry Hauptwerk sets if you like ;)

Zitat von live3TA im Beitrag #26


Also, pitch A = 440 and temperament = equal ("equals equal"...goofy math joke)


Another good point, thanks! Yes, equal at 440 Hz.

Zitat von Ippenstein im Beitrag #25
I testet the final page of Widors Toccata.... NO.

Much better Karg-Elert Ein Siegesgesang Israels
or Karg-Elert Nun danket alle Gott

I checked the Midi files, very useful.


Fine for me, Karg-Elert's Nun Danket is a good idea. First page?

Zitat von ahlborn im Beitrag #27


One could think (this is just an example) of the initial chorale of the variations Sei Gegrüsset BWV768, and foresee a change of stops in each section of the chorale.


If we include a change of stops we open the door to sound differentiation that would entice a choice based on personal stylistic preference. I would stick to the full organ ;)

So, who provides the midi? @Ippenstein?


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01.11.2022 19:14
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I will check tomorrow, if there is a audio-out-connector in our Benedikt. If yes, it should be possible to add another sample-based organmodel to the competition... - although it is older than 20 years I guess...

VG
Aeoline


Organisten leiden oft an einer schlimmen Krankheit: Augentinnitus - Man(n) sieht nur noch Pfeifen...

Viscount Unico 400 DE [V1.14.19] (56/III/P) : ab 11.2012
Johannus Opus 520 (45/II/P) : 10.1987-11.2012
Siel HB 700 (9/II/P) : 1977-09.1987)

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01.11.2022 19:23
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Nun danket alle Gott

First page, ok. I will send you the files. Do you need it already cut or will you cut the file?


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